
I’m a huge fan of the 2 Guys and a River podcast (www.2guysandariver.com). I download it every week and I often listen to it as soon as it’s done downloading; I’ll try to save it for later, but I’m not much for delayed gratification. My wife loves it as well. A couple of times, I made comments on their website that they then read on the air as part of their “Great Stuff From Our Listeners” segment. Once that happened once, I spent way too much time during the work day to craft posts on their site with the aim of getting it read and now I’m writing this blog post instead of writing this proposal I’m supposed to be working on for my actual job. But I digress.
If you don’t know it, the podcast is two guys talking about fly fishing. The hosts are Dave Goetz and Steve Mathewson who (as they say in the introduction) “are two lifelong friends, writers, and very average fly fishermen who love fly fishing the great rivers.” Some episodes are about fly fishing techniques and others are about the emotional aspects of fly fishing. A lot of their advice on technique is somewhat basic, even for me, but advice on how to fish isn’t really their appeal. What I like about the podcast is how honest it is. What comes through in the podcast is how much they love fly fishing, how much they enjoy their friendship and that they are not embarrassed to admit to both of those things. A lot of their podcasts don’t even focus on the how of fishing, but more the why.
They talk openly about what they get emotionally and spiritually from fly fishing and they come at it with a definite point of view. Being from the heartland, they express that definite point of view gently and without judgement of how others may see things. They’re able to pull off talking about the ‘why’ of fishing without being pretentious. It’s a neat trick and they are able to do it because they come at it openly. Their worldview is earnest, spiritual and western and they inspired me to start this blog even though I am decidedly eastern, cynical and secular.
The show is corny and a little cheesy in the best meaning of the words: the guys razz each other with dad jokes and talk in gee whiz wonder at the magnificence of creation in what can only be described (at least by me) as infectious. One of my favorite episodes features the two of them reading passages of A River Runs Through It and discussing what it means to them. If I had any readers, they would recall that I stated I don’t like the movie, but I do find the book achingly beautiful.
For Steve and Dave, fly fishing is about trout. If your only understanding of fly fishing only came from listening to their podcasts, you’d be forgiven for thinking that no one had ever caught a bass, bluegill, catfish, tarpon or carp on a fly rod. The few times they mention another species you can almost picture them wincing as they manage to get the word out: smallmouth. They are purists and have defined the sport in a way that works for them. They are unapologetically western in their outlook towards fly fishing and life. I am similarly unapologetically eastern in my attitude towards fly fishing and life.
While I love fishing for trout, I also love catching smallmouth bass on a fly rod and I love scrubby east coast streams where it’s a grab bag of all kinds of fish. I have this ratty little stream not far from my house in the city that I like to fish and (this is absolutely true) there has recently been a series of articles in the local paper about how a gang has been using the area to commit murders and dump bodies in the stream. There was a picture in the article of two investigators standing near the stream right where I had stand when I fish it. Fly fishing in a street gang’s killing ground is pretty far from 2 Guys and a River, or A River Runs Through It, but let me tell you, a couple of dumped bodies really cuts down on the fishing pressure. A few high profile trials and the next thing you know, you’ve got the stream to yourself.
For me, I like catching wild fish and where I live in the mid-Atlantic, that means I can’t be too picky about species. Starting in February or March, there are wild brook trout that I can fish for in the mountains of Virginia and Maryland. By late May, smallmouth bass and bluegill are in the mix in the Shenandoah river system. For a couple of months, you can fish for either bass in the valley, or broookies in the mountains (and on one or two glorious days, you can do a little of both: brookies in the morning and smallies in the afternoon).
But certainly by July, I don’t feel comfortable fishing for brookies. The water temp around here increases and the water levels drop, I worry that fishing for them beats them up too much and will kill them. So if I’m going to fish locally in July and August for wild fish, that means smallies. I could fish eight times a year for trout or fifty times a year for whatever’s in the mix. If I can get away for a long weekend, there are a couple of tailwaters not too far away with wild trout year round, but that’s what I consider “special occasion” fishing. There’s something about a stream you can hit on your way home from work, or right when you realize it’s Sunday afternoon and you don’t have anything scheduled. There’s special occasion and there’s grab your rod and go fishing and I love both.
I have a friend who’s a very good fly fisher who is also a purist (he is also a very good person, honest and hard-working). He considers brookies to be “rat” fish and has literally turned up his nose at the idea of going fishing for them with me (he honest to God did this kind of nose flick, eye roll thing). He’s a born and bred western fly fisher and as I have (hopefully) good-naturedly told him, I find western fly fishers to be some of the most pretentious people on earth.
I’m what you’d call a pan-purist; when I’m fishing for wild trout in Maryland, Virginia, or Tennessee, I think that this is the best fishing experience there is and anyone who doesn’t agree is wrong. Then I’ll fish a small stream for brookies in the Shenandoah National Park and realize that this is the only way to fly fish, then I’ll float the South Fork of the Shenadoah swinging streamers for smallies on 60 fish days and think that this is the only way to fly fish. And I’m 100% correct in each instance.
Long story short, check out 2 Guys and a River, it’s a great podcast.


That’s a picture of the first fish I ever caught on a fly rod. It was Labor Day Weekend 2013 on the Savage River in western Maryland.